would follow that tradition. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. was introduced in 1955. Thanks for any thoughts. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. As it was released in the first century of the . And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. The Whelen is a more sensible choice, but the Rigby isnt about sensibility, its about nostalgia and a connection to a bygone age. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. Whelen would not. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. .50 BMG. Most ammunition makers have a 200-grain load, and Remington also has a 150-grain load with a muzzle velocity of 2300 f.p.s. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. You know the kind with the locking bolt. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. 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Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. Cartridges of .25 caliber and below are not ideal elk cartridges, especially if a big bull is a potential. The .35 Rem. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Mag. Movement is more random in big country. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. The .300 Rem. [/quote]. Mag. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. and the 6.5 mm Rem. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. I have become a 35 cal. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. Mag. We've got you covered. .22 LR7mm-08 Remington8mm Remington Magnum.338 Federal.224 Valkyrie.338-06 A-Square9.3x62mm Mauser.257 Weatherby Magnum.45-70 Government.300 H&H Magnum.25-06 Remington.30-06 Springfield6.5 Creedmoor.300 Remington Ultra Magnum7mm Remington Magnum.470 Nitro Express.280 Remington.300 Winchester Magnum.270 Winchester.222 Remington.45 ACP.404 Jeffery.44 Remington Magnum.41 Remington Magnum.243 Winchester.338 Winchester Magnum.357 S&W Magnum6.5-284 Norma8x57 Mauser.38 Smith & Wesson Special7x57mm Mauser9 mm Luger.35 Whelen.454 Casull.375 H&H Magnum.45 Colt.22-250 Remington10mm Auto.308 Winchester. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." The Hornady Superformance load for the .35 Whelen launches a 200-grain bullet at a blistering. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. Mag. 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Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. Though still under construction, Im eager to take the classic cartridge into the hunting fields. 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Theres also a mindset difference. Mag. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. You can start with the 6.5mms. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. There are many good choices, and shot placement is more important than case dimensions and bullet diameter. In the years since, the .35 Rem. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Mag. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. The .35 Rem. It was verry expensive to shoot, lots of powder and expensive bullets and brass. Mag. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. .50 Beowulf. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. I see no reason to shy away from it. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. If the .35 Rem. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description.